Romany (romanyg) wrote,
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Um, er, what?

Okay, pulling out of limbo for a minute to ask what fresh hell is this? Meaning the announcement of Amazon's Kindle Worlds thingiemabob doohickey. I've been out of the loop for *years* so, yeah, what? Er...

Oh, and I'm still among the living. *sheepish hi*
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Yeah. It's a program that's doing a lot more than paying for fanfic. They're also buying all your rights for the life of the copyright (70+ years after you're dead) as well as reserving the right to any original characters that you create. Scalzi covers the main concerns here:

http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/05/22/amazons-kindle-worlds-instant-thoughts/
I just saw his post. You read my mind! Or you clicked over to him faster than I did. All my fandom skills are rusty. *g* That doesn't seem like the best deal. One or two of the commenters said that was traditional boilerplate for authorized tie-ins as well. If it is, the tie-in people have it rough too.

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thinkinabstract

May 23 2013, 07:16:42 UTC 4 years ago Edited:  May 23 2013, 07:21:19 UTC

I heard about this new thing in passing today. At first I thought it was a neat idea; I figured it'd be an easy way for struggling writers to get their work published and make money. Reading into it a bit further, though, I realize it's pretty horrible for several reasons. The whole idea of fanfic is that the fans are trying to honor the original work and be 'a part' of it, not steal it and make money off it. It feels like this program is encouraging copyright infringement, plagiarism, theft, ripping off the creators whose series we love - whatever you want to call it, it's not the way these fans should pay respect to those creators. This in addition to the issues knotted_rose brought up, I can't support this thing. Hopefully it'll implode soon after its launch, if not before.

Also, um, hi. Nice to meet you. I am a new fan of yours, totally totally smitten with you after having read all your Smallville/DCU fics twice over. I love them the best of anything else I've read. I just wanted to get that out there so you know your work is still appreciated. Please don't disappear for another year again ;_;
Unless you have to. Then, ok..

Hi! And thank you. *blush* I fell into the dank, dark hole known as real life, far away from all things shiny. I hope to not disappear (except I'm famous for such, eep).

Some sites have been doing authorized fanfic (I think HBO did for the L-Word) for a bit. Have to follow guidelines, yadda yadda, and it hasn't affected fandom much. But Amazon might be a game-changer. I really, really hope not, but yeah, scary.
Yes, all sorts of people have suddenly appeared when this was announced. LJ hasn't been this big of a turmoil in years.

And Hi! back.
I figured I'd find some answers here. Heck, if I heard about this from underneath my cozy rock, I'm sure fandom was roaring.

Hi. *g*
I don't think it will have much effect; for a start, where's the market? Why pay for something you can get for free? Maybe people who've never read fanfic before will be a new market, but none of "us" are going to pay for it! For another thing, who's going to want to take all the porn out of their fic to get it published? Just ignore it!
One can only hope! But Amazon's a pretty big deal and this particular can of worms may have some nasty side effects (did I just mix metaphors? I think I did.).
Why pay for something you can get for free?

THIS THIS THIS. Well-written fanfic is easily available online, at no cost; and who wants to pay for porn when it's free online?
I'm only worried about the 'easily available' part. If this takes off, the C&D orders may come piling in. I fervently hope I'm just paranoid.

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romanyg

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I saw a couple of comments also point out how it would be easy for someone to just c/p another fan's work and sell it, as Amazon may not be as vigilant/understanding of fanfic plagiarism.
Oh yes - I hadn't even thought of that!
I know of one instance where Amazon did pull a plagiarized fanfic. But yeah, the temptation to mine through any of the archives might lead to a bit of that. Eep!
Hmm, there's a thought! Although, from underneath my hiding place, I saw fandom deliver a smackdown to a romance novel on Amazon that had been posted as original work and happened to be, ta da, a plagiarized fanfic. Amazon pulled the novel within 3 days after the uproar - and issued a letter of apology! So I have to give them that one.

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Hi! They may be surprised at the backlash they're getting.
Hi!

::::::smish:::::::

As for Amazon, it sounds like the worst possible way to monetize content. Yuck. Plus -- no smut! Who came up with that brilliant idea?
Hihi! *smish!*

I have no idea who came up with this, but I have a few wet noodles I can flog them with! Oh wait, that just sounds like bad porn waiting to happen...*g*
This move by Amazon to make money from fanfic does not sit well with me but at least it has brought people back to LJ. :) "Hi".
I'm just hoping it becomes an historical anecdote like Fanlib did. But yes, I had to check in with LJ over this. *g*

Hi!
Hi! How have you been?

Don't like the sound of the Amazon thing. Fan Fic much better done for love than money.
Hi! I've been busy with my not so little now Romanitas (who've both found their own way to fandom, hee!), and I'm so tired. One eye melting into the keyboard tired. But! I hope to keep my toe in LJ and fandom this time.

Yeah, I'm wondering how much that pay wall is going to rake in. I think I've read only one tie-in novel the entire time I've been in fandom - and only on a close friend's fervent rec.
Hi!!!!

This whole Amazon thing, I don't like it. =(
Yikes, over a year later, I respond. I think Kindle Worlds is up and running now and did not kill fandom. *g*