Romany ([info]romanyg) wrote,
@ 2005-07-12 13:57:00
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Current mood: contemplative
Entry tags:thinky

My thoughts, they do wander: Buffy/Angel/Spike...Hey, What about Faith?
I am sick, hear me whine. Or not. I just offer it as an excuse for my more absent-than-usual self.

So, on to fandom stuff...

Beware, it gets a tad rambly.


I have a *really* hard time reading het B/S/A. I just do. It frustrates me more than anything else. And it's not the het, I read and enjoy both B/A and S/B. And those are het all the way, baby. But the thing is that neither of those negate A/S*. And het B/S/A does just that.

*And I'm fully aware that there are B/A and S/B fics that make a point of negating A/S. Which makes me cranky and then makes me laugh, because whenever Angel and/or Spike pause to give the readers the I'm-Not-Gay-And-Even-If-I-Were-I-Wouldn't-Touch-Him soliloquy, it comes across as Methinks The Lad Doth Protest Too Much. Of course some fics do that *intentionally* which is fine.

It's not just the, *poof*, A/S doesn't exist nature of het B/S/A that bothers me, but the inevitability of Buffy having too much power as the apex. Pillow-Queen Buffy. Oh do me do me do me do Buffy. We know through canon that all three of them have a jealous nature. They're not perfect. And post-Chosen and post-NFA, they're *still* not perfect. They're just alive and make mistakes and get their hopes up and have their feelings hurt and yeah, like that.

Buffy may fantasize about wrestling and oil, but what's her reaction when that fantasy is realized? When she sees a fucked-up but *established* relationship between Angel and Spike? It's not going to be all happyhappyjoyjoy. That's not the way she operates. She'll get off the pillow and be *active*, *participate*. Because, please, would she really just lie there and take it? And that's what I like to see. The tumbling triangle with no fixed apex, equilateral, struggling, and strong.

I once said, and I'll say it again: Buffy, Angel and Spike don't go riding off into the sunset, they roll into it, fists clenched in each other's hair.

Oh, and if you can get Faith in there? So that it's B/S/A/F? So much the better. Just as fist-clenchy. B/F would so be a match for A/S. I read a lot of B/F, can you tell? I can just imagine post-NFA Angel and Spike, showing up at Buffy's with their hey-we-decided-to-share-and-how-could-you-refuse-that offer. And Faith would be standing there with a hey-guys-just-get-your-own-girl-cause-I-got-here-first smile on her face. Oh, the possibilities... To pull off non-PWP, angsty, B/A/S/F would be quite the feat. And besides, I'd love you forever. *g*

And Faith is more than just a foil. Who else has been inside Angel's head and Buffy's body? She's just as full of longing, hope, jealousy, doubt and the need for redemption as the others are. Buffy's not terribly secure around her. Angel's seen something in her worth saving. Spike bummed a cigarette off her and those cigarettes weren't the only ones smouldering in that basement. Throw Faith in the mix and you might have a real Balance of Power.

Did I mention that I'd love you forever? *bats eyelashes over big blue animé eyes*



B/A rec: Go read [info]chrisleeoctaves's new WIP, Fallen From Grace. She's up to part 5 now so pull up a chair, might take a while. If you don't have the time, just go to her site and read any of her B/A. Sososososo good. Promise. She has an understated style that really packs a wallop.

S/B rec: [info]herself_nyc has A Terrible Thing up. Be prepared to pull up a chair for this one also. Novelette/Novella length. And be prepared to think.

A/S rec: Of Kings and Common Men by [info]sangpassionne. She creates a wonderful, eerie future here.

B/F rec: Spring Haze by [info]idyll. Her Faith voice is so spot on.

A/F rec: Echoes by [info]kita0610. Post-The Gift and Pre-Orpheus so not terribly sail-off shippy, but deliciously angsty all the same.

S/F rec: His voice is like a Mars-bar by [info]db2305. Another lengthy one. But I think you need build-up for this relationship, otherwise it's too easy to go to PWP-land.

B/A/F rec: For Love or Monster by [info]theantijoss. This is dark with a capital D. Sorta beware what you want, you just might get it kinda deal.

B/A/S rec: Old Ghosts by [info]chrisleeoctaves is still one of my favorites.

B/A/S/F rec: Till The Next Time The World Ends by [info]netweight. Shortest rec of the bunch. But there's just not a lot of B/A/S/F around. And this is, by far, the best.



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[info]nikitangel
2005-07-12 09:51 pm UTC (link)
[info]theantijoss wrote some awesome B/A/S/F. Can't put my finger on the links at the moment, but it's worth a search!

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[info]romanyg
2005-07-12 10:28 pm UTC (link)
Ah, yes, Nooner. I have that one bookmarked. *g*

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[info]nikitangel
2005-07-12 10:30 pm UTC (link)
I totally helped poke that bunny along! My faith obsession influenced her terribly at the time :-)

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[info]romanyg
2005-07-12 10:36 pm UTC (link)
Ah, so it was you! *points finger and grins*

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[info]makd
2005-07-13 12:54 am UTC (link)
ooh: fic recs!! Off to read the one I haven't.

Thanks! MWAH! (dinah shore kiss)

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[info]romanyg
2005-07-13 03:18 am UTC (link)
I recc'd something that you hadn't read yet? My job here is done. *g*

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[info]chrisleeoctaves
2005-07-13 01:38 am UTC (link)
How adorable are *you*?

Um. B/A/S ain't ever gonna be happy in any world I'm in. Just so you know.

*smooch*

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[info]kita0610
2005-07-13 01:48 am UTC (link)
Um. B/A/S ain't ever gonna be happy in any world I'm in. Just so you know.

Heeheeheheehee!

OT: There's this horribly characterized Spuffy-ish fic that just came out wherein Angel "watches" and I thought of you immediately as someone who would be equally amused and confused as to who the hell this person in the fic is, because it surely isn't Angel.

Which is why you need to write S/A and I need to write B/A in exchange. *sweet smile*

Sorry to hijack the LJ, Rom. And thank you for the card. It got sucked into my spam filter and I found it a few days ago. You're the bestest.

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[info]chrisleeoctaves
2005-07-13 02:06 am UTC (link)
Angel *watches* Buffy and Spike? Have sex? Like, on purpose?

*shivers*

Honey, it would *so* not be a fair exchange...my A/S fic for your B/A fic...I'd have to give you stuff, too...but I'm game...once I get this current brute off my back.

*jumps up and down at the thought of Kita B/A*

*apologizes for taking over Romany's LJ*

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[info]lynnenne
2005-07-13 02:44 am UTC (link)
Though Angel does get off on listening to Spike talk about fucking Buffy. The big perv. Romany and I have both written it, ergo it must be true. *cackles*

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[info]chrisleeoctaves
2005-07-13 10:59 am UTC (link)
OK. He might watch...but there would have to be rope...and possibly leather.

I've had Spike watch Angel and Buffy and he *totally* got off on it.

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[info]lynnenne
2005-07-13 03:45 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, but Spike's a big whore. I think he could get off on watching Andrew/Snyder.

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(Anonymous)
2005-07-13 03:18 am UTC (link)
Oh, I could totally see Angel watching them fuck. He's a perv. No, this is Angel post-Chosen, watching her give Spike the amulet. It's all about how Spike was really Chosen, you see. And Angel must learn this lesson! So he humbly does. Cause. Yea, I can't even continue this sentence without laughing.

I wanna write B/A. I really do. I have a B/A/S half-written in my head, but straight up B/A, no pun intended, escapes me. I just...no ideas. Not a one.

-Kita, whose MAC hates LJ and won't let her log in, dammit.

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(Anonymous)
2005-07-13 11:04 am UTC (link)
Ah. Amulet. Chosen.

*mwah*

B/A/S is good.

But for my money, your B/A wouldn't have to have a *story*...just so long as they were so gloriously messed up...particularly Angel. (It's not right that I love him all heart-sick and self flagellating, but there you have it.)

Stories where Spike is so white-washed noble just don't work for me.
(Unless he's naked.)

Ok. It's too early for me to be responding to this. Obviously.

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[info]chrisleeoctaves
2005-07-13 12:24 pm UTC (link)
That was me....I wasn't signed in apparently.

That'll teach me for trying to respond to LJ stuff before I've even had my first cup of tea!

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[info]romanyg
2005-07-13 03:34 am UTC (link)
Hijack away! I don't have a problem with discussions in my LJ. Mingle, children, mingle! Can I get you anything? Soda, coffee, beer? Just let me know. *g*

Angel watched Connor and Cordy go at it and that was the most gloriously screwed up thing *ever*. If the author made *that* parallel, then I'd queue up to read it.

And you're welcome! You had a bad day, and you needed it.

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[info]kita0610
2005-07-13 03:36 am UTC (link)
Angel watched Connor and Cordy go at it and that was the most gloriously screwed up thing *ever*. If the author made *that* parallel, then I'd queue up to read it.

See my explanation below for why that really wasn't this author's intention.

You got beer here? Cool.

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[info]romanyg
2005-07-13 03:22 am UTC (link)
Um. B/A/S ain't ever gonna be happy in any world I'm in. Just so you know.

I know. They're generally not happy in my world either. I'm so mean. *g*

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[info]romanyg
2005-07-13 03:27 am UTC (link)
Huh. I replied to this and LJ *ate* it. Tis a hungry beast. *sigh*

Um. B/A/S ain't ever gonna be happy in any world I'm in. Just so you know.

I know. I'll take angsty, though. I'm easy. *g*

*mwah*

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[info]lynnenne
2005-07-13 02:39 am UTC (link)
Buffy, Angel and Spike don't go riding off into the sunset, they roll into it, fists clenched in each other's hair.

Amen, sister.

I love "Old Ghosts." I had an opportunity to write B/A/S for Maren's threesome ficathon, at Christie's request; but I kind of felt like I'd be re-writing her own fic and giving it back to her. Whenever I tried to work it differently, I ran into the problem you mention: S/A sort of just disappeared. Let's face it: both men are besotted with her and hold her up as their ideal. She's the shiny New Love, whereas they have an old marriage (and a pretty dysfunctional one, at that). One of these days I'd like to write a fic where Spike and Angel each take the other's side in an argument with Buffy... but it'll take a lot of salesmanship.

I ended up writing Buffy/Angel/Riley instead. It's over here, if you'd like to read it. I've been pimping the shit out of it, partly because it's not the most popular of threesomes; but also because I think it's one of the prettiest pieces I've written to date. I'd love your thoughts on it. /shameless

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[info]kita0610
2005-07-13 03:20 am UTC (link)
Rom, go read it.

Verily, it rocketh.

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[info]lynnenne
2005-07-13 03:29 am UTC (link)
*smooch*

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[info]romanyg
2005-07-13 05:55 am UTC (link)
S/A sort of just disappeared.

Nooooooooo! *sobs*

One of these days I'd like to write a fic where Spike and Angel each take the other's side in an argument with Buffy... but it'll take a lot of salesmanship.

Yessssssss!

True, Buffy is The Ideal, but I think the year they spent together in L.A. would give them a shorthand that would drive Buffy nuts.

I haven't read *any* stories from the ficathon yet. If I have time tonight, I'll zip over and read yours. *loves Riley* And dude, I saw that you did B/A/R and I'm just all shivery cause I know it'll be magic.

And it's not pimping when an author is as good as you. It's strategic marketing.

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[info]chrisleeoctaves
2005-07-13 12:27 pm UTC (link)
Yes, but if *you* rewrote my B/S/A it would be *so* (so!) much better and I would love it.

But, no matter...you wrote the *perfect* fic for me in every single way.

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[info]lynnenne
2005-07-13 04:00 pm UTC (link)
*tackles you*

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[info]ex_dovil323
2005-07-13 05:55 am UTC (link)
I'm purely a A/S shipper as far those characters are concerned (oh big gasp shock) but I must admit I do have a big soft spot for B/S/A, however am in total agreement with all the provisos that you give. You are wise, and I nod my head along.

And I never even thought about it, but B/A/S/F, plotty and non-PWP, hell yeah!

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[info]romanyg
2005-07-13 06:12 am UTC (link)
Well, I like a bit of het stirred into my slash martini. *g* Plus the trend to Oh Let's Forget About Buffy, I only ever loved you in A/S makes me cry and sputter and generally ruin my keyboard. Even pre-series, there's Darla and Drusilla. They've always been about the women and that's what drives them closer to each other, complaining all the way.

And dovil has a soft spot? Hee! *pokes and squishes*

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[info]ex_dovil323
2005-07-13 06:46 am UTC (link)
Het: the olive of any high class drink.

And argghhh! I hate that when fics run roughshod over the gals, I just think it's either lazy writing or some kind of misogyny, like now that they've got cock in their life, boobies be damned! Or, erm, something. The main focus of the boys has been the Darla or Dru and Buffy, full stop. Look at my foot hitting the floor. Look at me repeating what you just said.

My soft spot is from too many muffins, sigh.

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[info]romanyg
2005-07-13 08:39 pm UTC (link)
Mmmmm, muffins!

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[info]redbrickrose
2005-07-13 08:16 am UTC (link)
There is so much potential for B/A/S/F that is not realized. B/F would definitely be a match for A/S - there are so many similarities. Add to that the pretty much indisputable Buffy-Darla parallels where Angel is concerned (and there are some more-disputable-but-nevertheless-arguable Faith-Drusilla parallels) and the whole thing gets even more interesting very, very quickly.

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[info]lynnenne
2005-07-13 03:48 pm UTC (link)
I nominate Hannah to write this. *raises hand*

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[info]redbrickrose
2005-07-14 05:25 am UTC (link)
B/F is absolutely my favorite femslash pairing ever, but I'm very afraid of writing Faith. Someone should write it, that's for sure. So much potential. *ponders*

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[info]lynnenne
2005-07-14 06:07 am UTC (link)
You could totally do it. You wrote Brian Kinney, for crying out loud. Who's tougher than that nut?

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[info]romanyg
2005-07-13 08:41 pm UTC (link)
Yes, I can see where B/A/S/F would mirror the fanged four dynamic and that would not be lost on Angel. And he would not be utterly opposed to it. He's a family man, after all. *g*

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[info]lynnenne
2007-07-24 04:15 am UTC (link)
Rom, Hannah finally wrote this fic. Of Infinite Space. You have to read it. It is gorgeous!

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[info]romanyg
2007-07-24 06:49 am UTC (link)
Wow, you went way back in time to find this entry. *g*

And thanks for the link!

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